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Offline GWS

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Where have all the Coders gone ..
« on: January 26, 2018, 02:51:22 PM »
Hi folks,

It's awfully quiet round here  :) - but then it's quiet on most programming sites these days.

Can it be true that all those many coders from years gone by have stopped writing programs?

Have they all become afflicted with the finger poking disease common among mobile phone carrying people .. ;D

Perhaps they seek their fortune developing Java 'Apps' - good luck with that. The Web is full of warnings about downloading more than you bargain for if you click on App site offerings.

The prospects for home grown software is also bleak.  I happened across an interesting thread on the PureBasic forum, discussing the dire effects of anti-Virus software on home-grown programs.

http://www.purebasic.fr/english/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=69166&hilit=false+positives

Folk have actually stopped programming, because of the frequent false positives thrown out by AV software.

Not just because of the mayhem it causes on your own machine, but because of the dire effects it can have on your customers (if you are good enough to actually sell your programs commercially). :(

I experienced some of this myself, when every time I compiled a program, the AV software quarantined or immediately deleted the exe file. ::)  Most annoying.

Fortunately, the AV I'm using at the moment (Norton), seems happy with my small efforts ..  ;D

Anyway, I press on in my amateur way - largely to amuse myself and family.  Good mental exercise as well I'm told.

Best wishes, :)

Graham




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Re: Where have all the Coders gone ..
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2018, 05:28:16 AM »
Can you recommend me how much?

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Re: Where have all the Coders gone ..
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2018, 07:26:55 AM »
Hi Carballal,

I'm not sure I understand your question - but if you mean how much does Norton AV cost, it's currently 14.99 at Argos, for the Norton Anti-Virus, 1 Year, 1 User version.

However, I've done some more testing, and Norton fails to accept programs compiled with EBasic, or IBasic.  (I haven't tried IWBasic).

This occurs even with programs dating back 15 years  ::)

You get the message - 'Sonar as removed a security risk'
Threat: Sonar.Cryptlocker!g31 (A Trojan Virus)

The file risk is High.
Program was behaving suspiciously - program was removed.

You can restore the program from quarantine - but it's all a huge nuisance.

This problem with false positives started with compiled .exe files even years ago.

There is no problem at all with Creative Basic, which is an interpreted exe system.

So something was introduced into the compilation process dating back to IBasic Pro, which modern AV software sees as a threat. Goodness know what ..  :(

The same problem exists in programming systems like PureBasic and I believe other systems  - even Visual Basic.

You might be able to sort the problem of quarantined exe files on your own machine - but it will probably recur on other peoples machines who try out your programs.  This is very bad.  The last thing you want to be accused of, is spreading viruses.

Reading Internet comments, there seems to be no solution to this.  Every AV company has different problems of false positives.

Best wishes, :)

Graham

« Last Edit: February 06, 2018, 10:27:17 AM by GWS »
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Re: Where have all the Coders gone ..
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2018, 10:39:12 AM »
Hi graham
or hello old man  :D
yes it is very quiet almost everywhere, people simply get bored with
programming or simply lost interest , young are interestd in smartphones
and for programming they use ugly python or C++ or something ...


AV and false positives yeah .. i use Oxygen basic for what i do
of course i love Creative Basic to ....
only Avira and derivetive of this AV produce false positive for Oxygenbasic compiled
exes...
recently i finally updated my XP machine from sp2 to sp3
and i get lot of troubles with viruses - trojans 
autorun.inf and sality    --- do you know maybe how to remove this junk
from my xp sp3 computer?
any free good antivirus that is not AVIRA ?

all best
Aurel  ;)
« Last Edit: February 09, 2018, 10:40:17 AM by zlatkoCB »

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Re: Where have all the Coders gone ..
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2018, 11:28:41 AM »
Hi Aurel,

Nice to hear from you ..  :)

I've never tried OxygenBasic .. I'll perhaps take a look at it.

I've not found a solution to the AV problems.  It got so messy, I completely wiped my OS and installed a clean Win 7.  I had to install an AV program immediately - because just using a browser to select any website can result in a virus attack.

I chose Norton - primarily because I've trusted their stuff for many years.  I expected though, that false positives would arise.

There seems to be no solution for this.  All AV software has these problems.  Even a very small program such as 'Hello World' will find itself thrown into quarantine by one AV system or another, when it's compiled.  What causes it, I've no idea.

I've always worked with several logical drives on my machine. So if my OS gets screwed up by pop-up windows and various virus threats, I just wipe the C: drive and re-install a new OS copy - my other drives D: E: etc stay the same.

It's the only way I know of getting back to a reliable OS. ::)

all the best, :)

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Re: Where have all the Coders gone ..
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2018, 10:01:06 AM »
But GWS
do you know that viruses stay on other drives and in Restore Point block in
the  and of HDD
trojans as autorun.inf and Sality is very resistant and mutable with Trojan.Agent
combination ?

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Re: Where have all the Coders gone ..
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2018, 11:13:16 AM »
That sounds scary ..  :o

I've run Norton scans and it's found nothing - but then, how effective are AV products ?   You just don't know these days.

All seems to be working OK at the moment ..

Graham  :)
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Re: Where have all the Coders gone ..
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2018, 09:34:37 PM »
Hey! Long time no be able to be around! :-) I lost my right foot back in June of last year to bone poisoning. Then Harvey hit Houston. House flooded. Evac'd to George R. Brown convention center. Finally came home. No hot water. Water heater died. Had to make it through freezing cold. Only one blanket and sheet. In apartment now. Selling house. Leaving Houston. Going to either Las Vegas or Tucson. Haven't decided.

On virus stuff: Downkoad latest Avira and then just run it. If you can't do that go to another system and download Avira's standalone CD image. Make CD, run CD, let it clean your system. Also check out HitManPro. It is a cloud based AV. It will run and pick up even more viruses if you have them. Once your system is clean - back it up via ZIP. Have ZIP back up everything including system files. Then you have a safe backup you can use. Also download and install SuperAntiSpyware and run it. To keep anyone off of your system - buy my book at lulu.com. Look for Mark Manning. I show you how to make it so no one can get onto your system except you. Sold $15.00 worth of books so far. :-)

Note: When I say ZIP - I mean WinZIP. Only ZIP program that will create a FULL system backup that you can put back onto a system without problems. :-)

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Re: Where have all the Coders gone ..
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2018, 10:22:29 AM »
Hi and thanks on advices but nothing from that.
How hmmm i dont know.
Avira and Malwarebytes cannot clean system from autorun.inf ,Trojan.Agent and Sality.
So what i do...
I download from Softpedia
Kaspersky Malware Removal tool and clean system...
After that i download directly from Kaspersky site
Kaspersky Free antivirus  and finally everything work like a charm.
So I suggest to anyone try this two AV tools.

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Re: Where have all the Coders gone ..
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2018, 10:53:06 AM »
Good about Kapersky. I would have said try Adlice's software but it appears to be gone. :-(

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Re: Where have all the Coders gone ..
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 07:06:09 PM »
I've noticed for some years now too how programming forums have been losing members. I initially thought it was because people were using Facebook or they were developing for mobile. But I think the real reason is because a lot of programmers aren't interested in joining forums, they just want their questions answered so they go to somewhere like Stack Overflow.

As for anti-virus, I just use the built-in one in Windows. If I have a suspicious executable I'll upload it to VirusTotal. It's a good site to use if you've created an executable and you want to see if it'll run on other peoples computers without being picked up by anti-virus software.

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Re: Where have all the Coders gone ..
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 07:50:45 PM »
VirusTotal is totally off limits to XP people. :-/

I have seen programmers go along both paths: 1)I just want my question answered, and 2)I'd like to join but then you get put down a lot by radical people or you are expected to bear the weight of the world and answer all questions.

I was a bit Perl person for a very long time and then got burned and stopped. I also answered questions on the Apple Usenet group until I had to put a stop to several snobbery people. (Some of whom had written books.) I decided I didn't really need that.

 

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